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Post by howie » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:11 am

Bit of a HIT AND MISS going on at the moment.

Investigators into the dramatic crash say haven’t yet made it clear who was flying the vintage plane when it went down.
The Convair 340/440aircraft that crashed at Wonderboom Airport, Pretoria North, in July had an unqualified crew on board, according to the SA Civil Aviation Authority’s (Sacaa’s) preliminary report on the crash.

The crash claimed two lives.

“The purpose of the preliminary report is to give progress within 30 days into the investigation of an accident, and therefore this does not mean this is the final report,” said Peter Mashaba, Sacaa’s executive officer for accident investigations.

Mashaba noted the current preliminary report contained two major sections.

One was the factual information obtained through the investigation and the second was the preliminary findings of the crash identified during the ongoing investigation.

Sacaa found that the 65-year-old captain, with more than 18 240 hours’ flying time, had valid Australian air transport, commercial and private licences and was rated to fly the aircraft.

“However, the validation issued by Sacaa was for a Private Pilot Licence under visual flight rules (VFR), which was valid until May 5, 2021,” the report stated.

It went on to say the first officer was not rated to fly the Convair, and was only validated locally to various “single engine landing” aircraft.

Aviation expert Karl Jenson strongly repudiated the report’s preliminary finding that the Convair co-pilot was not licensed.

“A friend who trained him on the aircraft refutes this claim vehemently,” he told The Citizen. “The Sacaa report is preliminary only and there are glaring omissions and claims which cannot possibly be substantiated,” Jenson said.

“The report is out for comment before a full conclusion can be made before the blame game can be accepted.”

He noted the Sacaa preliminary report stated the co-pilot was correctly licensed at one stage and then contradicted it in another.

According to the Sydney Morning Herald, both pilots – Ross Kelly and Douglas Haywood – had flown for Australia’s national airline Qantas “for more than 30 years, including as A380 captains” and had more than 37 000 flying hours between them.

It was supposed to stop in Zambia, Uganda, Sudan, Egypt, Croatia and Austria before arriving in the Netherlands on July 23.

The report found the South African aircraft mechanic who was not part of the crew, according to the aircraft flight manual, and was not rated on the aircraft as a pilot, had been operating the engine controls.

The mechanic died in the crash, while another person was killed on the ground when the plane impacted.

Emergency procedures were not followed when the crew were informed of the left engine fire, and the engine fire extinguishing system had not been activated.

The entire procedure was recorded on a GoPro camera inside the cockpit.

Mashaba said the investigation was ongoing.



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Post by Bell 407 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:18 am

Makes for interesting reading. If there was [pressure to continue then very sad indeed :thinking:



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Post by Raffles » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:44 pm

There are several errors in the report. Let's hope the final report is more accurate.



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Post by Propnut » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:05 am

The report says that they hit power lines. My understanding is that they were not major power lines between pylons, but normal roadside pole lines. Would I be correct?



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Post by Raffles » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:16 am

Propnut wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:05 am
The report says that they hit power lines. My understanding is that they were not major power lines between pylons, but normal roadside pole lines. Would I be correct?
Yes :good:



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Post by happyskipper » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:48 am

My post [below] was intended for Avcom - but I refuse to entertain some of the "experts" there any longer.

The following can be verified as being fact - if one is interested in the truth, and not out to bolster one's ego.
And there we have it folks - a post by one of the top pilots in SAA, Captain Karl Jensen - who also happened to have flown this same aircraft - and, yet, nobody is willing to lend any credence to his post - why?
I suspect it is because "WE know better", and want, so badly, to prove what fantastic pilots WE are, because WE would have had that problem sorted, and the aircraft back on the ground in no time at all......

I hinted at fuel contamination in an earlier post [lost in the many pages of waffle], and here Karl Jensen mentions the possibility, again.......

The Convair has a water-meth injection system - but it requires Avgas in the fuel tanks to run the engine, in order for the water-meth to work it's magic - not a mixture of Avgas and water.........

WHY was an analysis of the fuel in the bowser that refueled the Convair not done, as a matter of course?
Methinks that the truth will never be revealed, because the opportunity was lost the minute the investigator failed to follow SOP and test fuel samples, immediately after the crash.
Of course, any hint at malpractice on the part of the refuellers at Wonderboom will be met with the usual denials and accusations of discrimination.

The autofeather light was NOT, in fact u/s, although the ADI fail warning was.

The 3 crew operation was standard, according to Rovos Rail SOP, which was a CAA approved manual.

The reason the aircraft did not complete the circuit and failed to turn final was because the aileron controls were compromised by the fire, and rudder and aileron combined was required just to counter the roll and yaw moments from the un-feathered port engine.

The problems with the aircraft only manifested themselves AFTER V1 - thus necessitating taking the problems into the air.

I had just completed a navex with an instructor on the same day of the accident, and Pilansburg was on that route - no mention was made of the runway not being available - although we opted to by-pass Pilansburg, purely by chance, on that day.......



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Post by Raffles » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:07 am

Years ago i attended a seminar on aviation fuel hosted by one of the the fuel companies. It was standard practice, after any accident, to secure the last point of refueling and test the fuel. I'm not sure if they do this anymore.



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Post by howie » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:50 am

Thanks for that Post 'Skipper.

At least you know on this site, you wont have 50 lap dogs shouting for your attentions.



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Post by Propnut » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:35 am

Too true.



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Post by Bell 407 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:10 am

howie wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:50 am
Thanks for that Post 'Skipper.

At least you know on this site, you wont have 50 lap dogs shouting for your attentions.
Fully agree. Great post Slappy Kipper :champion:



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Post by happyskipper » Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:33 pm

Just as a matter of interest - in the maritime field we usually take on vast quantities of fuel [well compared to aircraft anyway] and I always take a fuel sample every time we refuel, and stow it safely ashore - just in case there is any incident at sea.
I make sure the refuelers are aware of this, and do it in full view of them - there is nothing like showing them that you have a sample of their product, so that there is no question, later on, to ensure that there is no "doctoring" or watering down going on - and yes, it has happened to me. Duel engine failure on a small passenger vessel when transiting the entry channel in Durban harbour - traced to sediment in the diesel fuel. That particular marine fuel depot no longer exists....



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Post by howie » Sat Oct 20, 2018 10:01 am

Wow interesting comments



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