Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beaches

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What do you think really happened to MH370?

Pilot suicide
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On-board fire or technical fault
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Something sinister
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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby Raffles » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:56 pm

Surely they should send this stuff to Boeing for identification? Why are they sending it here and there?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby great dane » Mon Mar 21, 2016 3:56 pm

Raffles wrote:Surely they should send this stuff to Boeing for identification? Why are they sending it here and there?

According to AvCom another piece found at Klein Brak today (near Mossel Bay I believe). Engine cowlings are hardly unique, but it looks more and more like MH370 did end up in the Indian Ocean somewhere.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby Bell 407 » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:30 pm

Very interesting indeed. But where exactly it is, is the issue :thinking:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby great dane » Mon Mar 21, 2016 4:43 pm

Bell 407 wrote:Very interesting indeed. But where exactly it is, is the issue :thinking:

Well after seeing the Yak I guess the chance of finding large sections are rather small :thinking:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby happyskipper » Mon Mar 21, 2016 5:38 pm

great dane wrote:
Bell 407 wrote:Very interesting indeed. But where exactly it is, is the issue :thinking:

Well after seeing the Yak I guess the chance of finding large sections are rather small :thinking:


To give you an idea of the power of the ocean and water: A friend of mine departed Durban to Mozambique about a month before I did, on board a charter vessel.

He lost his boat off Ponto de Ouro, just North of the Mozambique border. It was a steel 40 ft yacht, well built and newly outfitted. he had to abandon ship in the middle of the night, and his boat washed up into the surf zone just meters from the launch site for the dive boats.

3 weeks later, I passed Ponto de Ouro in perfect weather conditions, and came right inshore, to see if I could spot the wreck. Nothing, nicks, nada - not a steel plate, or a single item was visible, even at low tide...... water is the most powerful force known to man. :weight:


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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique

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Postby avi-addict » Thu Mar 24, 2016 1:09 pm

http://ewn.co.za/2016/03/24/SA-archaeol ... Mossel-Bay

And just now...another piece of debri found on the Wilderness beach...

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Postby avi-addict » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:13 pm

to quote John J. Nance - aviator, author, lawyer and aircrash investigating consultant....

"It's been, of course, over two years since Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappeared, and since the details fade from memory by the time we in the media bring up the subject again, it's easy to be off balance when, for instance, what may be another piece of the Boeing 777 is found on some remote beach. Here's what to keep in mind: The only part so far recovered that is certifiably from MH370 was a so-called "flaperon" from one wing of the Triple-7. Additional airplane parts have been found, but none have yet been confirmed as being from the same aircraft. Here is a major point, however: If all the aircraft pieces do turn out to be from MH370, they are all from either sections of the wings or engine nacelles, all of which would be consistent with the aircraft having been ditched by a live pilot. Show me a piece of debris coming from inside the cabin or baggage compartment, or a piece of the fuselage structure, and it would instantly disprove the developing theory of a conscious and deliberate ditching. Stay tuned!"

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby bmused55 » Wed Mar 30, 2016 4:26 pm

I think the lack of any interior pieces is telling.

So far all we have are parts the wing and engine. Parts that will be battered in a ditching and extremely likely to come off.
But... it's possible the fuselage remained intact and sunk like that. This would require that the passengers and crew (save for the pilot) were incapacitated and could not attempt an escape.
20 or so minutes without oxygen at FL380 would do the trick!

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Raffles » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:37 pm

bmused55 wrote:I think the lack of any interior pieces is telling.

So far all we have are parts the wing and engine. Parts that will be battered in a ditching and extremely likely to come off.
But... it's possible the fuselage remained intact and sunk like that. This would require that the passengers and crew (save for the pilot) were incapacitated and could not attempt an escape.
20 or so minutes without oxygen at FL380 would do the trick!


Yes, but also possible that a third person or even more managed to gain entry to the cockpit and overpower the crew. The crew were known to be slack as far as cockpit security was concerned. Maybe a "suicide" squad.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Moertoe Pilut » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:30 pm

I see the geniuses lost the second sonar device today....

The yellow, torpedo-shaped unit was attached to an 1,800-pound weight to keep it floating from the surface when "the failure of a tow cable connector resulted in the loss of the … towfish and the attached depressor," the Joint Agency Coordination Centre (JACC) said in statement.

With the towfish likely thousands of feet down on the seabed, a remote-controlled submersible was flown in from the United States and dispatched aboard a ship from Australia on Monday, the JACC said.

It was the second time a towfish has been lost by the MH370 operation in less than three months.

In January, one of the devices was temporarily lost after it crashed into a 7,400-foot underwater volcano before being recovered around a week later.

A spokesman for the JACC told NBC News on Wednesday that the search operation has three towfishes and he was not sure whether the same device had been lost twice.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Raffles » Thu Apr 14, 2016 5:49 pm

***Conspiracy Theory On***

Maybe someone doesn't want it found.

***Conspiracy Theory Off***

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Postby 87Juliet » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:51 pm

*secondary conspiracy theory ON*

What's funny about all these pieces being found around the South African coastline is that they are completely clean and free of any marine growth, notably no barnacles!

Perhaps, and just a wild thought, whoever "took" the airplane eventually finished doing what the wanted to do with it and then destroyed it and are now systematically distributing the bits and pieces around the African coastline...

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Raffles » Sat Apr 16, 2016 8:56 pm

87Juliet wrote:*secondary conspiracy theory ON*

What's funny about all these pieces being found around the South African coastline is that they are completely clean and free of any marine growth, notably no barnacles!

Perhaps, and just a wild thought, whoever "took" the airplane eventually finished doing what the wanted to do with it and then destroyed it and are now systematically distributing the bits and pieces around the African coastline...

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Yes that sounds feasible too.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Moertoe Pilut » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:24 am

Presumably, those debris fragments floated on ocean currents over the past two years since the assumed crash of Flight MH370. But independent investigator Jeff Wise, a science journalist and aviation expert who has published a book and numerous articles on the Malaysia Airlines mystery, noticed something odd about three of the debris pieces.

Unlike the first debris fragment, found last July on French-owned Reunion Island and pictured at the top of this page, which was covered with marine organisms — a phenomenon that occurs when objects float in the ocean for prolonged periods — the two pieces found in Mozambique and one in South Africa appeared to have little if any marine growth on their surfaces.

Wise consulted several marine biologists, who told him that the lack of organisms, or “biofouling,” indicated that the debris had been in the water for mere weeks or even days — well short of the two years that have elapsed since the presumed crash of Flight MH370.

Australian government scientist David Griffin also noticed the curious lack of “biofouling” on the Malaysia Airlines debris. But in a report, Griffin explained the anomaly by postulating that the fragments had washed up on their respective beaches some time ago, where the sun burned off the marine organisms — and then were somehow washed out to sea and back to the beaches a second time.

But Wise doesn’t buy it.

“One problem with this scenario is that while we might just about imagine a sequence of events happening to one piece, it seems incredible to imagine it happening to three pieces independently, in different locations and at different times,” he wrote on his blog Thursday.

Also, the process of washing back to sea then back to the beaches could not have taken more than two weeks, Wise wrote, or else marine “fouling” would have begun to occur again. But in the two weeks prior to the discovery of each piece, there were no weather events that could have taken the debris fragments back out to sea.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby happyskipper » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:21 pm

Are the pieces being washed up not perhaps Carbon Composite? :thinking:

I know quite a bit about marine fouling, having fought against it on every boat I have ever owned or worked on. :gooneybird: The very smooth surface and high carbon content of Carbon fiber composite aircraft parts may explain the lack of growth of barnacles etc...... :research:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beac

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Postby Raffles » Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:40 pm

There is paint covering the composite material.

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Postby Moertoe Pilut » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:22 pm

CNN is reporting on the tv that investigators are confirming that the debris found is indeed from MH370.
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Postby Raffles » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:46 pm

The CNN aviation experts group?



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