Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beaches

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What do you think really happened to MH370?

Pilot suicide
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On-board fire or technical fault
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Post by avi-addict » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:09 am

When was this found....nothing over the news....



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Post by happyskipper » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:10 pm

Moertoe - not sure, but I suspect it was pulled up on a fisherman's line....



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Post by happyskipper » Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:17 pm

avi-addict wrote:When was this found....nothing over the news....


Yesterday, just South of me - I got the scoop through a mate of mine!! :good:

Now where's my Pulitzer..... :champion:



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Post by Raffles » Sat Aug 27, 2016 2:37 pm

No barnacles on it....



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Post by bmused55 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:58 pm

I think it unlikely we will ever find the fuselage and the black boxes and therefore we will never know precisely what happened. It is a big ocean and very, very deep in places. We have only just been able to finish a surface search. It will take much longer to search the bottom. At some point the cost of it all will be too high and all search efforts will be called off. If this was a deliberate act (and all the evidence is pointing that way) then it was a well executed plan if they wanted to disappear.

Besides, even if we do find the fuselage and the data recorder, what will the FDR show, presuming the culprit let them run. A long cruise followed by a descent into the water (Controlled or otherwise)?

Do the standard CVR and FDR for a 2002 777 record for longer than the 8 or so hours this bird was aloft? If longer... perhaps they will contain the actions leading to the flights disappearance from civilian radar. But I doubt it. If you know how to turn off the transponder and coms, you know how to disable the recorders.



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Post by Bell 407 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 5:51 pm

And maybe (sadly) in 50 years time we will make a movie about it much like Titanic :thinking:



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Post by bmused55 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:22 am

50? more like in 5 or 6 years.

BTW... the "Sully" film is excellent!



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Post by great dane » Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:23 pm

bmused55 wrote:BTW... the "Sully" film is excellent!

I do agree, was quite skeptical how they would manage to make a movie of this one event. Managed really well without adding all sorts of nonsense. Even the wife liked it :gooneybird:



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Post by bmused55 » Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:03 pm

I too at first gave the idea a critical look. But once I saw the trailer I saw its potential. Loved it.
Some people are criticising it for making the NTSB look like evil knob ends. But, they were just like that. I was following the whole situation back then and the NTSB were pretty hostile toward Sully, saying that simulator crews were able to make a runway and that he had made the wrong decision. The film captured that perfectly.



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Post by Raffles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 11:35 am

Back to MH370, there just isn't enough debris to draw any conclusions yet, except that it looks like the plane did break up. I'm looking at this midair collision in which there was limited structural damage, the plane continued flying on autopilot indicating that the crew may have passed out from depressurization. Perhaps the E&E compartment door of MH370 blew off damaging the transponder equipment, and the crew were lax resulting in their incapacitation, but it doesn't explain why MH370 turned off course. And why no debris was spotted in satellite pictures well that many volunteers reviewed thousands of satellite pictures taken shortly afterwards.



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Post by bmused55 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 3:10 pm

Can't be a mid air collision. Where are reports of the second aircraft? What about the military radar plots that show MH370 turning sharp left after the transponder is turned off, then circling over the Captain's home for a few turns before then heading off south over the Indian ocean? That seems far to under control to me.

I hate to say it, but it does look like one of the pilots did this and then intentionally flew to where they knew the ocean was too deep to find them.



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Post by Raffles » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:51 pm

What i'm getting at was that it could have been a very rapid depressurization by something such as the E&E compartment door failing, and the crew were not prepared and couldn't or didn't get their oxygen on in time



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Post by Moertoe Pilut » Sun Sep 18, 2016 9:28 am

If that was the case, the airplane would have continued towards destination as programmed in the FMC. The deviation from the programmed flight plan would take intervention from a flight crew member. If it was a rapid depressurisation, I doubt they would have changed the course as an initial action, especially not programming it to fly over the Captains home.

The theory of diverting to Langkawi doesn't make sense either. If they decided (due to onboard fire or depressurisation) to divert there, the crew would have inserted the Initial Approach Fix/VOR or Airport on the top of the RTE page. That would make the airplane fly direct to there. If the rest of the legs were not erased in the FMC, the airplane would fly to that point in Langkawi and then fly towards Beijing again. If they erased all legs after Langkawi, the airplane would have continued on the track it was flying from the return (the left turn) as it has no other waypoints to fly. The airplane flight path doesn't support this either....It flew down the straight of Malacca and then turned south as the satellite ping claims.....

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Post by bmused55 » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:50 am

Agreed. The course taken by the plane suggests it was under the command of someone. Who? We may never know for sure, but it is very likely to have been one of the pilots. At the very least it was someone who knew the plane well and knew what circuit breakers to trip and where to go in the avionics bay to disable the transponder. Chances are they disabled the recorders too, so it is highly unlikely we'll ever find out precisely what happened.



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Post by Richard Cranium » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:42 pm


Mauritius found debris confirmed to be from MH370


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Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai has confirmed that the piece of debris recovered from Mauritius in April originated from the missing Flight MH370.

“Examination of the item of composite debris recovered on the island of Mauritius has been completed by experts from the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB),” Liow said in a statement yesterday.

He said, according to the analysis by the ATSB, with the concurrence of the MH370 Safety Investigation Team, part numbers on the piece of debris identified it as originating from MH370.

“From a part number found on a section of the debris, the piece has been identified as a trailing edge splice strap, incorporated into the rear spar assembly of a Boeing 777 left outboard flap.

“Adjacent to the part number was a second part identifier. The flap manufacturer supplied records indicating that this work order number was incorporated into the outboard flap shipset line number 404.

“This corresponds to the Boeing 777 aircraft line number 404, registered as 9M-MRO (MH370),” said Liow.

As such, he said the experts concluded that the debris belonged to the missing plane.

“This marks the latest piece of debris that has been examined, analysed and confirmed to have originated from MH370, following the confirmation of the Tanzania debris last month,” he said.

He expressed his appreciation to the authorities of Mauritius and Australia for their support and assistance in the investigation.

Flight MH370, which was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing disappeared on March 8, 2014, along with the 239 passengers and crew on board.

This is the third confirmed piece of debris from the missing plane.

In July 2015, a flaperon piece washed up on La Reunion island, east of Madagascar.

Investigators have also confirmed that a large wing flap, which was found in June 2016 in Pemba Island off the coast of Tanzania, originated from the plane.

Investigators are still trying to confirm four debris pieces, which they have said almost certainly belongs to MH370; a tail horizontal stabiliser and stenciled stabiliser panel found in Mozambique in December 2015 and February 2016, an engine cowling with the Roll-Royce logo found in South Africa in March 2016 and a door panel found in Mauritius in March 2016.

More recently, two tourists have come forward to claim that they also have found pieces of the plane in Madagascar and in Kangaroo Island, Australia in June.



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Post by Raffles » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:15 pm

Latest (final) ATSB report

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Post by Moertoe Pilut » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:36 pm

The file seems to be damaged?




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Post by bmused55 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:27 am

I doubt we'll ever find much of this aircraft other than the occasional bits of flotsam. The evidence does point toward a high speed impact. That means the plane is likely to be in millions of fragments. I'm also convinced the FDR and CVR, if by some miracle are recovered and readable, will contain nothing. Well not the CVR anyway. If you have the smarts to disable the transponder etc, you know how to disable the CVR. I'm not sure if the FDR can be tampered with in flight. Where is it's CB?

This will go down in history as one of the great unsolved cases :crybaby:



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Post by Bell 407 » Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:30 am

Relatives of missing MH370 "taking search into own hands"

Flight MH370, carrying 239 passengers and crew, disappeared on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in 2014.

KUALA LUMPUR – Relatives of those aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 said on Saturday they were taking the search for the plane into their own hands to try to push governments to expand the search area along the east African coast.

Flight MH370, carrying 239 passengers and crew, disappeared on its way from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March, 2014, sparking a search in the southern Indian Ocean that entered its 1,000 day on Saturday.

Members of Voice 370, an MH370 next-of-kin support group, were speaking ahead of a trip to Madagascar, where they hoped to scour the country’s beaches for debris.

Spokeswoman Grace Subathirai Nathan said she hoped the trip would help spur the Malaysian, Chinese and Australian governments to collect debris along the continental coast where parts from the aircraft had been found.

“After repeated attempts, and repeated requests for a mobilisation of a search along the coastline, nothing has been done to date,” she told reporters at Kuala Lumpur airport.

“So it has fallen into our hands to take this search upon ourselves.”

Nathan, whose mother was on the plane, was among four Malaysians, two Chinese nationals and a Frenchman who left for Madagascar on Saturday to hunt for debris and raise awareness of the plane among local communities and organisations.

Three pieces of debris found on the beaches of Mauritius, Tanzania and the French island of Reunion, have been confirmed to be from MH370. Investigators are examining several other pieces found in Mozambique and South Africa.

The search is expected to be suspended by the end of the year, when an Australian-led team completes its scouring of a 120,000-sq-km target area.

“We want the world to know that just because the search is about to end, that doesn’t mean to us that the search is ending,” Nathan said. “There is still a lot at stake.”

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