Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beaches

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Malaysia Airlines MH370 B777-200 Missing (239 onboard) Update: debris found off Mozambique and on South African beaches

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Post by Kerry R » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:54 am

Malaysia Airlines said it has lost contact with a 777-200 carrying 239 people on a flight from Kuala Lumpur To Beijing.

Authorities have activated search and rescue teams to locate the plane, the airline said in a statement posted on its Facebook page.

The airline said Flight MH370 lost contact with air traffic control at 2:40 a.m. The flight was expected to arrive in Beijing at 6:30 a.m., the airline said in the statement, released at 7:24 a.m. local time, or 4:24 p.m Pacific time.

The flight was carrying a total number of 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members.



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Post by avi-addict » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:36 am

Malaysia Airlines jet missing, 2 Canadians among 239 on board

Carrier has begun contacting next of kin after plane went missing around 2:40 a.m. local time

CBC News

Posted:Mar 07, 2014 8:08 PM ET
Last Updated:Mar 08, 2014 12:05 AM ET


A relative of a passenger onboard Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 cries at the Beijing Capital International Airport in Beijing. The Boeing B777-200 aircraft carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew lost contact with air traffic controllers early on Saturday en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Kim Kyung-Hoon/Reuters

Two Canadians are among 227 passengers and 12 crew members on board a Malaysia Airlines jet that has lost contact with air traffic controllers, an airline official said.

"Ladies and gentlemen, we are deeply saddened this morning with the news on MH370," said Malaysia Airlines CEO Ahmad Jauhari Yahya, reading from a statement several hours after the plane disappeared from radar screens. "Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 had lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2:40 a.m. today."

The flight was en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. The B777-200 aircraft left Kuala Lumpur at 12:41 a.m. local time and was expected to land at 6:30 a.m. in the Chinese capital the same day.

"There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming," Yahya said. "We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others."

Along with the two Canadians, the passenger list included 152 Chinese and one Chinese infant, and three Americans and one American infant. 

"Our thoughts and deepest sympathies are with those affected by the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines MH370," Béatrice Fénelon, a spokeswoman for the Department of Foreign Affairs said. "We are working with local authorities to gather more information on the situation. We have received preliminary reports indicating that two Canadian citizens may be affected."
 

The airline said it was calling the next of kin of passengers and crew.

Contact lost at cruising altitude
Next of kin were being directed to gather at a support facility at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members," the airline said.

China's state media said Vietnamese authorities had detected signals from the missing plane. The Xinhua news agency, citing a local Vietnamese media report, said a Vietnamese search and rescue official reported that signals have been detected from the plane about 220 kilometres southwest of Vietnam's southernmost coastal province of Ca Mau. 

Although it would be hard to determine what conditions were like in the jet stream, CBC meteorologist Johanna Wagstaffe said there was some haze on the ground in Vietnam and a few clouds.

"No major convective or thunderstorm activity at the time," she said.

Chinese state TV also reported there had not been any reports received about any aircraft crashing in Chinese waters. 

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Post by Pine » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:42 am

Missing plane crashed into South China Sea, report
2014-03-08 08:28


Kuala Lumpur - A Malaysia Airlines flight carrying 227 passengers and 12 crew crashed in the South China Sea on Saturday, Vietnamese state media said, quoting a senior naval official.

The Boeing 777-200ER flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing had been missing for hours when Vietnam's Tuoi Tre news quoted Admiral Ngo Van Phat as saying he had asked boats from an island off south Vietnam to rush to the crash site.

If the report is confirmed, it would mark the US-built airliner's deadliest crash since entering service 19 years ago.

Malaysia Airlines had yet to confirm that the aircraft had crashed. It said earlier in the day that no distress signal had been given and cited early speculation that the plane may have landed in Nanming in southern China.

Malaysia Airlines said people from 14 nationalities were among the 227 passengers, including at least 152 Chinese, 38 Malaysians, 12 Indonesians, six Australians and three Americans. It also said a Chinese infant and an American infant were on board.

No South Africans were reportedly on board.

Flight MH370, operating a Boeing 777-200ER aircraft, last had contact with air traffic controllers 120 nautical miles off the east coast of the Malaysian town of Kota Bharu, Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said in a statement read to a news conference in Kuala Lumpur.

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Malaysia and Vietnam were conducting a joint search and rescue, he said but gave no details. China has also sent two maritime rescue ships to the South China Sea to help in any rescue, state television said on one of its microblogs.

"We are extremely worried," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi told reporters in Beijing before the Vietnamese report that the plane had crashed. "The news is very disturbing. We hope everyone on the plane is safe."

The flight left Kuala Lumpur at 00:21 (16:21 GMT on Friday) but no trace had been found of the plane hours after it was due to land in the Chinese capital at 06:30 (22:30 GMT on Friday) the same day.

"We deeply regret that we have lost all contacts with flight MH370," Jauhari said.

If it is confirmed that the plane has crashed, the loss would mark the second fatal accident involving a Boeing 777 in less than a year and by far the worst since the jet entered service in 1995.

An Asiana Airlines Boeing 777-200ER crash-landed in San Francisco in July 2013, killing three passengers and injuring more than 180.

Boeing said it was aware of reports that the Malaysia Airlines plane was missing and was monitoring the situation but had no further comment. The flight was operating as a China Southern Airlines codeshare.

An official at the Civil Aviation Authority of Vietnam (CAAV) said the plane had failed to check in as scheduled at 17:21 GMT while it was flying over the sea between Malaysia and Ho Chi Minh city.

- Reuters

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Missing-plane-crashed-into-South-China-Sea-report-20140308


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Post by Raffles » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:17 am

From FB/Flightradar24 :

A Boeing 777 from Malaysia Airlines has been missing between Malaysia and Vietnam for about 12 hours. Flight #MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 16:41 UTC time and disappeared from www.flightradar24.com at 17:20 UTC time.

At 23:24 UTC time Malaysia Airlines published a press release that aircraft has lost contact with ATC at 18:40 UTC (after 2 hours). This incorrect time report made media speculate all night about a crash in the jungle somewhere between Vietnam and China.

It took until about 03:00 UTC until a search and rescue operation was started in the area of Gulf of Thailand where Flightradar24 reported lost radar contact.

It feels very frustrating that the incorrect reports of lost contact after 2 hours has made that Flightradar24 data of lost contact after 40 minutes, has been ignored for so many hours.

Playback of flight MH370: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/mh370


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Post by Raffles » Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:48 pm

Traces of fuel in the sea but nothing further yet.


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Post by Kerry R » Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:22 pm

Two passengers, traveling on stolen passports, smells like terrorist attack (my opinion) to fall out of the sky.



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Post by Raffles » Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:01 pm

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It is puzzling that no ADS-B returns were picked up indicating a descent. This suggests a catastrophic failure at cruise alt or all systems being deliberately switched off. A catastrophic failure at 35,000 feet would result in a very wide debris field and unlikely that fuel slicks would be seen.


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Post by Bell 407 » Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:35 am

Hearing reports this morning of it now being 4 stolen passports involved  :yikes: :yikes:



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Post by Raffles » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:15 pm

The two passports were stolen in Thailand and the tickets were bought together from China Southern Airlines (codeshare)


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Post by Kerry R » Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:58 pm

Vietnam says it may have found missing jet's door
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Vietnamese authorities searching waters for the missing Boeing 777 jetliner spotted an object Sunday that they suspected was one of the plane's doors, as international intelligence agencies joined the investigation into two passengers who boarded the aircraft with stolen passports.
More than a day and half after Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 went missing, no confirmed debris from the plane had been found, and the final minutes before it disappeared remained a mystery. The plane, which was carrying 239 people, lost contact with ground controllers somewhere between Malaysia and Vietnam after leaving Kuala Lumpur early Saturday morning for Beijing.The state-run Thanh Nien newspaper cited Lt. Gen. Vo Van Tuan, deputy chief of staff of Vietnam's army, as saying searchers in a low-flying plane had spotted an object suspected of being a door from the missing jet. It was found in waters about 90 kilometers (56 miles) south of Tho Chu island, in the same area where oil slicks were spotted Saturday.
"From this object, hopefully (we) will find the missing plane," Tuan said. Thanh Nien said two ships from the maritime police were heading to the site.

The missing plane apparently fell from the sky at cruising altitude in fine weather, and the pilots were either unable or had no time to send a distress signal — unusual circumstances under which a modern jetliner operated by a professional airline would crash.

Malaysia's air force chief, Rodzali Daud, said radar indicated that the plane may have turned back, but did not give further details on which direction it went or how far it veered off course.
"We are trying to make sense of this," Daud said at a news conference. "The military radar indicated that the aircraft may have made a turn back, and in some parts this was corroborated by civilian radar."

Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said pilots are supposed to inform the airline and traffic control authorities if the plane does a U-turn. "From what we have, there was no such distress signal or distress call per se, so we are equally puzzled," he said.

Authorities were checking on the identities of the two passengers who boarded the plane with stolen passports. On Saturday, the foreign ministries in Italy and Austria said the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.
"I can confirm that we have the visuals of these two people on CCTV," Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a news conference late Sunday, adding that the footage was being examined. "We have intelligence agencies, both local and international, on board."

Hishammuddin declined to give further details, saying it may jeopardize the investigation.
"Our focus now is to find the aircraft," he said, adding that finding the plane would make it easier for authorities to investigate any possible foul play.

Interpol confirmed that at least two stolen passports used by passengers on the plane were registered in its databases. It said no one had checked the databases, but added that most airlines and countries do not usually check for stolen passports.

Hishammuddin said only two passengers had used stolen passports, and that earlier reports that the identities of two others were under investigation were not true.
White House Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said the U.S. was looking into the stolen passports, but that investigators had reached no conclusions.

In addition to the plane's sudden disappearance, which experts say is consistent with a possible onboard explosion, the stolen passports have strengthened concerns about terrorism as a possible cause. Al-Qaida militants have used similar tactics to try and disguise their identities.
Still, other possible causes would seem just as likely at this stage, including a catastrophic failure of the plane's engines, extreme turbulence, or pilot error or even suicide. Establishing what happened with any certainty will need data from flight recorders and a detailed examination of any debris, something that will take months if not years.

European authorities on Saturday confirmed the names and nationalities of the two stolen passports: One was an Italian-issued document bearing the name Luigi Maraldi, the other Austrian under the name Christian Kozel. Police in Thailand said Maraldi's passport was stolen on the island of Phuket last July.
A telephone operator on a China-based KLM hotline on Sunday confirmed that "Maraldi" and "Kozel" were both booked to leave Beijing on a KLM flight to Amsterdam on March 8. Maraldi was then to fly to Copenhagen, Denmark, on KLM on March 8, and Kozel to Frankfurt, Germany, on March 8.
Vietnamese air force jets spotted two large oil slicks Saturday, but it was unclear whether they were linked to the missing plane.

Two-thirds of the jet's passengers were Chinese. The rest were from elsewhere in Asia, North America and Europe.

After more than 30 hours without contact with the aircraft, Malaysia Airlines told family members they should "prepare themselves for the worst," Hugh Dunleavy, the commercial director for the airline, told reporters.

Finding traces of an aircraft that disappears over sea can take days or longer, even with a sustained search effort. Depending on the circumstances of the crash, wreckage can be scattered over many square kilometers (miles). If the plane enters the water before breaking up, there can be relatively little debris.

A team of American experts was en route to Asia to be ready to assist in the investigation into the crash. The team includes accident investigators from the National Transportation Safety Board, as well as technical experts from the Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing, the safety board said in a statement.
She said since the pair booked the tickets through China Southern Airlines, she had no information on where they bought them.

Having onward reservations to Europe from Beijing would have meant the pair, as holders of EU passports, would not have needed visas for China.

Meanwhile, the multinational search for the missing plane was continuing. A total of 34 aircraft and 40 ships have been deployed to the area by Malaysia, Thailand, Australia, Singapore, Indonesia, China and the United States, in addition to Vietnam's fleet.
Source:http://news.yahoo.com/vietnam-says-may-found-missing-jets-door-161951222.html



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Post by Kerry R » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:15 pm

US Navy Sends Aircraft to Join Search for Flight Mh370
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The US Navy has sent a P-3C Orion aircraft and a MH-60R helicopter to the Gulf of Thailand to aid in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. The P-3C Orion, which departed from Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan, on March 9, brings long-range search, radar and communications capabilities to the efforts. The MH-60R Seahawk helicopters are designed search and rescue, as well as surveillance and communications relay.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/missing-pla ... 52625.html



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Post by Raffles » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:49 pm

I see the Vietnamese Military is using an Antonov 26 or 32. Good modern equipment.  ::)


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Post by Pine » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:11 pm

Investigators chase 'every angle' on missing jet
2014-03-10 11:40   

Kuala Lumpur - Dozens of ships and aircraft have failed to find any piece of the missing Boeing 777 jet that vanished more than two days ago above waters south of Vietnam as investigators pursued "every angle" to explain its disappearance, including hijacking, Malaysia's civil aviation chief said on Monday.

Malaysian maritime officials found some oil slicks in the South China Sea and sent a sample to a lab to see if it came from the plane, the Department of Civil Aviation chief, Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, told a news conference.

Hundreds of distraught relatives were gathered in a hotel in Beijing, waiting to be flown to Malaysia. Of the 227 passengers, two-thirds were Chinese. There were also 38 passengers and 12 crew members from Malaysia, and others from elsewhere in Asia, Europe and North America.

"We accept God's will. Whether he is found alive or dead, we surrender to Allah," said Selamat Omar, a Malaysian whose 29-year-old son Mohamad Khairul Amri Selamat was heading to Beijing for a business trip.

He said he was expecting a call from his son after the flight's scheduled arrival time at 06:30 on Saturday. Instead he got a call from the airline to say the plane was missing.

Vietnamese ships working throughout the night could not find a rectangular object spotted on Sunday afternoon that was thought to be one of the doors of a Malaysia Airlines passenger jet.

"We have not found anything that appears to be objects from the aircraft," Azharuddin said, adding that the search operation has involved 34 aircraft and 40 ships covering a 50-nautical mile radius from the point the plane vanished from radar screens early on Saturday about one hour into a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

He said officials from the US Federal Aviation Administration and the US National Safety Transportation Board have arrived to help in the investigation.

- AP

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Investigators-chase-every-angle-on-missing-jet-20140310


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Post by avi-addict » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:55 am

What do you aviation 'experts' make of the latest 'Flight radar evidence'? Is it miss interpreted or for real and how can it be explained. Evidence on YouTube.


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Post by Raffles » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:50 pm

Why the military only came out with it after 4 days I don't know, but they have now sent their search teams to the area where the military tracked the plane. They are also investigating the co-pilot for those other allegations. It will be interesting to see what the captain of the alleged flight has to say.


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Post by Kerry R » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:36 pm

Austin tech firm had 20 employees on missing plane
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — An Austin, Texas, technology company says 20 of its employees were aboard the Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing over the South China Sea.

Jacey Zuniga, a spokeswoman for Freescale Semiconductor, says 12 Malaysian and 8 Chinese employees are "confirmed passengers." She says no American citizen Freescale employees were on the flight.

"At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families," Gregg Lowe, president and CEO of Freescale says in a statement. "Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event." The company, the statement reads, has assembled a team of counselors for those impacted by the tragedy.

Flight MH370, a Boeing 777 airplane, was last seen on radar at 1:30 a.m. (1730 GMT Friday) above the waters where the South China sea.

Freescale Semiconductor is a technology company focused on what it calls "embedded processing solutions." It works with clients in a variety of markets, including automotive and consumer electronics, to address technology issues using microprocessors and sensors.



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Post by bmused55 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:10 pm

Someone on PPrune suggested the authorities check the pax manifest for any airline pilots with personal issues!  Suggesting they might have taken control and sent the plane off some place and crashed it.

As unpopular a thought as it might be on that forum, a well versed flight sim jockey is just as able to jump into a cockpit and command the AP to fly somewhere as a type rated pilot.

Like it or not, there are several very well designed and accurate aircraft specific add-on packs available that require you do flick all the correct switched and turn all the correct knobs in the right order to make it work. I know of one pilot (Not you Raffles!) who uses them to swat up before check rides! (As memory aids, not primary training)

I myself, once well versed with flight simulators, would be able to sit in the flight deck of any commercial Boeing or Airbus at cruise and after a moment to scan the panels and without any prompts, turn it to a different heading, reduce or increase speed or change altitude. That part is easy peasy.
On Boeings, I know what panel to look for to turn the Transponder off too. Shouldn't take me long to find it on Airbii either to be honest, they look similar.

If I can do that, it shows you do not need be a pilot to take over a plane and send it off some place!

And yes, I'm willing to put money where my mouth is. Get me on a sim, I'll show you what a flight sim Jockey can do!

Disclaimer:  Not that I for one minute believe that is what happened.



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Post by Raffles » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:41 pm

There are so many theories and speculation going on. I remember Adam Air flight 574 disappeared and the first wreckage only showed up well over a week later. But there does seem to be something sinister with this flight, and the authorities are looking more and more suspicious and/or incompetent with all their backpedalling


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