GECAS Plans to Convert a Further 30 737-800s to Freighters

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GECAS Plans to Convert a Further 30 737-800s to Freighters

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Postby four engine jock » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:59 pm

Shannon, Ireland – June 21, 2017
– GE Capital Aviation Services (GECAS) a world leader in aviation leasing and financing, is planning to convert a further 30 Boeing 737-800s into freighters.

GECAS launched the 737-800 freighter program with Aeronautical Engineers (AEI) in 2015 and Boeing in 2016. Since then GECAS has provided each program with a prototype aircraft for modification at separate conversion facilities in Miami and Shanghai.

All the feedstock aircraft will come from GECAS’ existing portfolio and converted when the aircraft end their current passenger leases from 2018 onward. GECAS currently owns approximately 220 passenger 737-800s that are distributed across ~25 countries.

The ASL Group and West Atlantic Group have already become GECAS customers for the 737-800 freighter with deliveries occurring from the beginning of 2018 through 2019.

“We believe the 737-800 freighter will become an important express freighter for the 20-25 tonne air cargo market. GECAS looks forward to supporting operators to meet the demand from this sector,” stated Richard Greener, SVP & Manager Cargo.

The Next-Generation 737-800 freighter will be equipped with CFM56-7B engines, carry up to 23.9 tons of cargo with 12 main deck positions over 2,000 nautical miles.

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Re: GECAS Plans to Convert a Further 30 737-800s to Freighters

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Postby Bell 407 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:51 pm

Any thoughts on the -800 being a good freighter :thinking: Thabo, your ideas?

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Postby thabo » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:41 pm

Bell 407 wrote:Any thoughts on the -800 being a good freighter :thinking: Thabo, your ideas?


It should be a beaute.

There are a few technical issues with converting it but we are ironing many of those out on the -700.

We had great success with the 300 but failed with the 400 (we were not able to get same amount of pallets in as our competition) - we have identified those issues and resolved them for the 800.

We have the 800 in development and should be starting conversion within the year.

Hopefully it will be as successful as our 763 - we already have 15 orders plus 15 options.

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Postby Bell 407 » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:26 pm

Thanks Thabo, will be good to see them in air at some stage :champion:

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Postby gear up » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:03 am

Them nightfighters will be happy to read about this... some new toys on the horizon maybe :welcome: :good:

The 300 is a lovely aircraft but it's quickly being put to pasture, example is, TGB is one of the last 300's off the line so is relatively new so to speak for a jet but already some countries won't accept it to fly over and have clearances as they say it's too old.. when so many 800's are being converted to freighter you know that tells the story.

I look forward to seeing the 800 freighters :good:
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Postby gear up » Mon Jul 03, 2017 4:05 am

That payload of the 800 will also turn the freight companies on :lol: impressive indeed :champion:
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Postby thabo » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:04 pm

We finally got our FAA STC for the 737-700 yesterday and delivered our first aircraft back to Alaskan today.

Aircraft #2 is in work and teardown of #3 starts within days.

The -800 is due to enter testing soon and we will begin structural work on it by the end of the year.

-800 Feedstock is still very expensive so it looks like the -700 will be a better option for the next couple years.

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Postby thabo » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:03 am

IAI awarded STC for 737-700 p-to-f, Alaska Air Cargo to take redelivery

On Monday, Israel Aerospace Industries received an STC for its 737-700 passenger-to-freighter conversion program, and could redeliver the first freighter-converted 737-700F (30794) to Seattle-based Alaska Air Cargo before the end of this week. Once redelivered, IAI, through its MRO and conversion arm, Bedek Aviation Group, will have redelivered not only the first 737-700F, but also the very first of the new generation of narrowbody freighters — 737NGs and A320Family.

IAI/Bedek formally launched the 737-700 passenger-to-freighter conversion program in May 2015, shortly after Aeronautical Engineers, Inc became the first conversion house to launch a next-generation conversion program with its 737-800 P-to-F. Since then, there has been no shortage of new program announcements: Boeing and Bedek both launched 737-800 conversion programs, while ATSG-subsidiary PEMCO unveiled a 737-700 passenger-to-freighter and “FlexCombi” program. Meanwhile, EFW launched “P2F” programs for both the A320 and A321, and, last month, Precision Aircraft Solutions and ATSG formed a joint venture, 321 Precision Conversions, and launched an A321 P-to-F program.

But it is IAI/Bedek that has reached certification first.

Bedek’s 737-700BDSF offers eight full-size pallet positions plus two smaller positions, with a maximum payload of about 18 tonnes (40,000lbs). Alaska Air Cargo is the launch customer for the program with a firm order for three conversions, and an option for one more. Feedstock for the first three conversions came from Alaska Airlines’ passenger unit.

Historically, Alaska Air Cargo operated a fleet of five 737-400 combis and a single 737-400F, but is planning to park the combis in favor of an all-freighter cargo fleet. Alaska has already retired one of the combis, and will gradually retire the other four. As for the future, the second 737-700 (30793) is already in conversion, and on 25 August, the third aircraft (30792) departed Seattle for Tel Aviv, where it has also been inducted for conversion. Alaska Air is hopeful that its second 737-700F will be redelivered before the end of 2017, with the third to follow no later than winter 2018.

The West Coast’s largest combination carrier has said that the transition to an all-freighter cargo fleet “will allow Alaska Air Cargo to serve the State of Alaska better” because of the expanded operational capabilities of the -700s, compared with the 737-400 combis. The -700s are more fuel efficient and can fly more than 1,000 nautical miles beyond the range of the -400s, giving the airline potential to fly into new markets. Shortly after redelivery, Alaska pilots will conduct flight tests, with the first commercial flight expected by mid-September.

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Postby great dane » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:18 am

Well done Thabo and team :clap:

Now if we could just get some more combis :cool2:

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Postby thabo » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:32 pm

From what I understand from speaking to the guys at Alaskan their freighters fly Seattle-Anchorage (which is a profitable pax route), and then a bunch of short hops down to Jeneau and Ketchikan, or up to Nome, Kotzebue and buggeritscoldfontein which are not profitable pax routes.

As such they prefer to fly dedicated pax and freight on the Seattle-Anchorage route, and then have the capability to take a full freight load wherever needed rather than fly half empty with a combi.

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Postby thabo » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:55 pm

Btw. Since ZS-SAA and ZS-SAB are getting rather long in the tooth it may be time to convince management to ask for another bailout from govt and convert a couple of the older 738's to cargo.

We did a few 733's in conjunction with SAAT and Denel 10-12 years ago so should be able to do the 738's in S.A. if need be.

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Re: GECAS Plans to Convert a Further 30 737-800s to Freighters

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Postby Bell 407 » Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:15 am

thabo wrote:... buggeritscoldfontein ...

:haha: :haha: :haha:
Awesome to see this information about the conversions. Well done to you and the team :champion:


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